2014 F22 M235i test figures including curb weight, 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, and weight distribution - Inferior to the E82 1M

[ChuckD05]

What in the world are you basing this on?

looking a the price of recent AMGs vs M5 and M6's on auto trader in NY

example =
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...Radius=50&mmt=[BMW[M5[]][]]&listingId=361410478&Log=0

[ChuckD05]

fail

[rawad1017]

[rawad1017]

milage on m5: 86420
milage on e63: 70670

[Sticky]

You can purchase the differential from BMW and pay the dealer or someone to install it, but you can't add it as a factory option.

Why exactly is the M Performance Part not an option?

I guess the best you could hope for would be purchasing the car and having them add the differential and labor to your invoice and have it installed by the dealer. But its not as simple as just "checking a box" when ordering the M235i to have it fitted with a LSD from the factory

How do you get the parts? You have to check a box somewhere don't you?

[ChuckD05]

that example is old... im talking about 1-2 years ... look at s4s price a few years old ... they hold better too.. they all loose to much value to make any sense of buying them new anyway... and it doesn't change the fact that bmw is beginning to just be another pedestrian car manufacturer trying to sell a dream on each $#@! car they put out like the 435i for whatever that insanely over prices msrp is

[ChuckD05]

But that e63 is a good deal lol... id take that over my car ... but your examples are from third party dealers , I am looking and was looking at cars from the OEM dealer... @rawad1017

[Sticky]

looking a the price of recent AMGs vs M5 and M6's on auto trader in NY

example =
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...Radius=50&mmt=[BMW[M5[]][]]&listingId=361410478&Log=0

Honestly, the AMG's don't hold their value well at all. Take a look at the 65 AMG's some time. It would make me cry if I owned one.

[lulz_m3]

Why exactly is the M Performance Part not an option?



How do you get the parts? You have to check a box somewhere don't you?

It is not part of the online configurator. It doesnt even list it as an option, it is a refit part only, not a factory option. I feel like we are just going in circles here...

[Sticky]

It is not part of the online configurator. It doesnt even list it as an option, it is a refit part only, not a factory option. I feel like we are just going in circles here...

I think the problem is the definition of whether an LSD is available or not. An LSD from BMW for this car IS available. It's not my fault it isn't as simple as picking it in the online configurator but there is an option for an LSD in this car, it is from BMW, and you can get your brand new car with it. So saying an LSD is not available is not correct.

[ChuckD05]

Honestly, the AMG's don't hold their value well at all. Take a look at the 65 AMG's some time. It would make me cry if I owned one.

i have been looking at them, and they really do not... However what i always look at is cars i can afford so mostly its the e55's and c63 which good examples do hold value much like e46 / e9x m3s that are upkept well

[lulz_m3]

I think the problem is the definition of whether an LSD is available or not. An LSD from BMW for this car IS available. It's not my fault it isn't as simple as picking it in the online configurator but there is an option for an LSD in this car, it is from BMW, and you can get your brand new car with it. So saying an LSD is not available is not correct.

This is incorrect, you would need to purchase the car first, then order and have them install the LSD. We are splitting hairs, but to me it doesn't "come with" an LSD if you cannot order it that way from the factory. How is getting an M performance differential any different from ordering an aftermarket unit?

[Sticky]

This is incorrect, you would need to purchase the car first, then order and have them install the LSD

That's not incorrect, you CAN have your new car with it. The order doesn't matter really, does it? I'd like to see the M Performance Part ordering process anyway.

We are splitting hairs, but to me it doesn't "come with" an LSD if you cannot order it that way from the factory. How is getting an M performance differential any different from ordering an aftermarket unit?

Because it's a BMW warrantied part? Can't you also factor these parts into the purchase price?

[rawad1017]

i gotta agree with sticky here, cause when you order your own brand new bmw, you have to talk to someone, on the phone or irl. if you want the part installed on your car, you tell them what you want and the car being ordered will have the part installed on it and you take delivery of the final product. the problem is not everyone knows you can do that and bmw doesn't make it public.

[onurleft]

They had a M235i at Road Atlanta this weekend with BMW CCA. Mike Renner was giving hot lap rides in it. The most impressive trait about it, i'd say, is the fact that it could be beaten on all weekend and maintain n/a like oil temps. No limp mode, no 280 degree spikes, just hundreds of miles of flat out laps with a pro and it didn't miss a beat

[rawad1017]

well yeah BMW inline-6 engines have been known to be pretty durable despite some of the turbo issues

[Sticky]

They had a M235i at Road Atlanta this weekend with BMW CCA. Mike Renner was giving hot lap rides in it. The most impressive trait about it, i'd say, is the fact that it could be beaten on all weekend and maintain n/a like oil temps. No limp mode, no 280 degree spikes, just hundreds of miles of flat out laps with a pro and it didn't miss a beat

Glad to see no limping.

[DavidV]

I still think the 1M is a better looking car.

[ChuckD05]

http://www.benzboost.com/images/impo...5iphotos-1.jpg

I still think the 1M is a better looking car.

same here...

[Sticky]

The F22 is much better looking IMO. More modern, sleeker. The 1M side profile is not as flattering.

[rawad1017]

the 1m's widebody is awesome though

[BlackJetE90OC]

You put the 1M wide body on the M235i, there is not question which is better looking. The 1-series will always have that bug eyed awkward front end. The M235i is much sleeker modern design.

[Nugs]

I like the F22 front better and the E82 rear better. The M235i racing widebody looks the goods, it can't be long until someone puts those flares on a street car.

[ChuckD05]