I think you meant to say the Germans.Quote:
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You mean when making 2000 whp?Quote:
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Doesn't mean it won't last or can't be designed to do so. Seriously, you think you can't build motors for forced induction? You better tell all those people boosting LSX's what morons they are.Quote:
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Design is by Audi, in Germany. You must not have been aware of that.Quote:
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So you can build a motor for forced induction? Wow, how about that.Quote:
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Yep:Quote:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udmgC6KrwlI
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Yet again you do not know your history:Quote:
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The Lamborghini V10 is a ninety degree (90°) V10 petrol engine which was developed for the Lamborghini Gallardo automobile, first sold in 2003.
Developed by AUDI AG, for use in the Gallardo, and the first engine developed for Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A. after they were acquired by AUDI AG - part of the Volkswagen Group.
As I mentioned in the first post, The motor ie Pistons rods etc.... is built in Sant'Agata, Italy:Quote:
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Its crankcase and cylinder block is built at the Audi Hungaria Motor Kft.factory in Győr, Hungary,[1] whilst final assembly is at Sant'Agata, Italy.[2]
It doesn't matter where it's built. It can be built on the moon.Quote:
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It's an Audi motor designed by the Germans as I already told you.
If I assemble an LS V8 in Moscow it's not a Russian motor.
i have to disagree...look at the old Windsor vs Cleveland motors. Same engine, same design, different performance because of how the people built them where they built them. A bad machinist will kill a good design every time.Quote:
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That argument doesn't apply here.Quote:
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Audi purchased Lamborghini and designed the motor. They are the ones who refitted the factory and installed their people, machines, and supplies.
It's only assembled in Italy for legacy reasons and to maintain the illusion that it's an Italian product. The block comes from an Audi factory in Hungary, come on now.
It isn't Italian or anything close to Italian. It's German.
It's Hungarian...
Like the X5 is American.Quote:
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If you were to sharpen your comprehension skills you would clearly read that no one is disputing where is it designed.Quote:
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It is built by Italians in Sant'Agata, they receive a bare block from Hungary, it is machined and all internals are assembled in Bolognese by Italians. There is a combination of machining and assembly line processes at that factory. Convert is correct about Cleveland/Windsor Motors and disparities....
My comprehension? Really, let's go back to the comment that started this:Quote:
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So you said the Italians built a great motor? I think you meant to say hats of to Audi, the Germans, for building a great motor and a nice pat on the back to whatever Italians or employees that assemble the Audi designed and engineered parts coming from Audi factories for the Audi subsidiary.
Assembly is design and production now? Really?
Your statement doesn't make any sense because it's the Germans that deserve the credit for the motor and specifically Audi whose involvement you mistakenly denied despite them being solely responsible for this engine being produced as they created it, not the assembly line workers. You can try to hide your lack of knowledge by claiming the motor is assembled in Italy but who cares where it is assembled? The BMW X5 being built in the US doesn't make it an American car suddenly.
Yes, 100% lack of comprehension. I used the word 'building' not designed. In case you are disputing the definition of building to somehow mean designing I will put forth the definition:Quote:
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Sticky, The Germans DESIGNED the engine, the Italians BUILD them. So, when he said the Italians BUILD a good motor, his statement was correct, and you two have been arguing the same fucking point.Quote:
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Well this thread went to shit, fast.
If you want to hide behind semantics go right ahead. You clearly stated it's an Italian motor when it isn't an Italian motor.Quote:
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Period.
The Italians didn't build that motor. The Germans built it. The Italians happen to assemble the German built motor.Quote:
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The Americans make an awesome X5, eh?
Some people can't admit when they are wrong.Quote:
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I work in manufacturing engineering. If the machining and assembly are done in Italy, then it is an Italian built German designed motor.Quote:
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Semantics. It's an Audi motor. The Italians didn't build anything. The Germans did everything and some guys in Italy put it together after getting everything from Audi and their factories.Quote:
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The entire point is based on him saying it's a hell of an Italian motor. No, it's a hell of a German motor. He clearly didn't know Audi designed the engine AFTER they bought Lamborghini.
Go back to his original post. He said Italian BUILT motor. And semantics are everything.Quote:
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The implication being it's an Italian motor.Quote:
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This is really not hard to understand.
The Americans do not build an awesome X3 or X5. The Germans do. BMW does.
The Italians didn't build the V10 in the Gallardo. Audi built it and made it all happen. It's a German engine and not an Italian engine.
Where final assembly takes place doesn't even matter. Audi opening a plant in Mexico does not mean Mexicans are engineering Audi engines.
What is so hard to grasp about this?
We all get it. It's you who isn't getting the difference between machining, assembling, and designing.Quote:
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Other way around.Quote:
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If we start looking at it in your narrow and illogical view the Hungarians might as well be getting all the credit.
The Germans at Audi are responsible for that motor. Not the Italians, not the Hungarians, and not anyone else. Period.